Why will none of the democrats leave Iraq?
Hillary wants the war in Iraq. She voted for it, she thinks we need to stay.
Obama wants to stay also. He wants to remove about half of the soldiers, but that means no less than 70% would stay indefinately.
Why is it the only candidate who wants to leave iraq completely, as fast as it takes to pack up the planes, is Republican Ron Paul (who is constantly attacked y the right, and fox news my I add)?
Update:There is no way to win in iraq. If the best military in the world cannot secure the country, neither will a iraq military. Saying that, if you fear for iraqis borders, we will be there forever, unless, we make iraqs army more powerful than our own.
Update 3:"There is no way to win in iraq", by your standards. To many of us, we won as soon as saddam was captured, elections were held, and saddam was executed.
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I continuosly state -the following 4 points to leave Iraq as soon as the next president gets into office:
1- the infrastructure in Iraq (electric-sewers-communications -water is all better now than when saddam was in power)and has been for a long time according to DOD statistics
2- It takes us a year for us to train and send a specialized soldier to war - why is it taking 6 years to train Iraqis in how to provide security for themselves ? and at the current time Iraqis seem to be taking responsibility for themselves
3 - Iraq is not Germany after WWII -an arab nation will not tolerate foreign soldiers in their country and mistrust of US is very high there -fueling the fire for terrorist recruiting
4 get out w/ next pres right away -in order to be the liberators we proclaim ourselves to be and not occupiers (anything less looks like we have a puppet regime in place for us even if it is the farthest from the truth )-which would take a lot of steam out of terrorist propaganda that we dont care about Iraqis and are there for the oil - thus preventing what Ron Paul calls blowback (basically an attack on american soil due to overstaying what welcome we have there )
Yeah... Kucinich is probably the most vehement about leaving Iraq immediately. Also, you left out Gravel... he also wants to withdraw immediately.
Ron Paul actually isn't so bad... he's not really a Republican. He's moreso a Libertarian, which I respect. I still prefer Kucinich and Gravel, but Ron Paul is probably my 3rd or 4th favorite of everyone running (Edwards getting that other spot).
Actually, Obama voted for funding Iraq... and he also voted to renew the Patriot Act and to promote General Casey, one of the key orchestrators of Iraq. I don't see why so many people support him... he actually has a fairly conservative voting record (well, not compared to a Republican... but his record is actually slightly more conservative than Hillary's).
Both Hillary and Obama have since announced that they want to withdraw from Iraq, but I don't think either will... they were just starting to get bad PR for it. Both have records of initially supporting the war. Kucinich, etc... have been against it from the very beginning, yet aren't getting the support they deserve.
I think the only Dem who wants to pull out completely is Kucinich (which you mentioned).
As much as I believe we were (shall we say) 'told incomplete information' about the need to go into Iraq, we cannot just pull out everything right now. We are a support beam that must make sure the structure is a bit firmer and able to stand on its own (at least to a point) before we leave completely.
This was has been mismanaged (whether you believe in our reasons for going in the first place) from the beginning and it is our job to make sure we don't leave it a complete disaster.
BTW - I understand that Congress was given cherry-picked information about the need to go into Iraq; that's why a number of Senators and Reps voted for it. If they had had the complete story, a lot of them would not.
They won't leave Iraq because they recognize that no matter how much people wish we had not gone in, it is, of course, too late. Now that we are there and waging war, leaving while the country is in chaos can only lead to very bad things here and over there. Guaranteed Iran steps up their activity if we're not there along with Syria. Regardless of one's opinion of the war , it's hard to ignore the fact that those two countries have made their intentions known.
united states of america is a rustic whose rein is pulled via Israel, the traitors who took US to Iraq bought the persons persons. about a million Iraqi deaths later, about 1000000000000 $s wasted, lots of people nonetheless have not awakened as there are thousands of Christian Zionists, Israel's functional idiots! How a lot ahead might want to American economic gadget be had it no longer been for the waste on Zionist time table! And now they prefer Iran invaded.
For one thing all this baloney is a ploy to get your vote,they will do what they want anyway soon as they get in office,another thing,don't forget our boys in Iraq get to vote too and who knows how they voted are their votes being guarded and by who? WE ARE LOSING ALL OUR GUYS THERE AND FOR WHAT! We are protecting people that don't want our help or need it our boys are losing their lives and the problem is, it's not for our country, It's going on too long, bring our boys back here where they belong, let them fight on their own ground!
Because even Democrats realize that, if they simply "pull the troops out" on their first day, it would leave Iraq vulnerable to takeover by al Qaeda or Iran or some other fundamentalist/terrorist regime. Iraq is not strong enough to defend itself, which, unfortunately, is our fault. We need to fix that, or at least try to.
Bill Richardson also said he would order them all to the airport.
you're forgetting Kucinich